Both good goalies........ but only history will tell who is better.

So far Kipper probably has an edge since he's been to a Stanley Cup Final and a has a Vezina.

Goalie World Magazine has Luongo as a better goalie over the last 5 years (using their rating system).

Being a Canucks fan........ it only matters to me that we get into the playoffs (that includes all Canadian Teams) and that Lu gives us a chance at the Cup. He's only been through to the second round twice but he's only been in the playoffs twice.

So we shall see at the end of this season who is the better goalie (at least for this year).

Cheers,
Vic

nope thing luongo is having a bad year compared to last also. My team doesn't have a starting goalie right now.

Kipper has kept the team in stopping a lot of shots that are where people who play goal concider them the easier shots to stop. doesn't mean they all get stopped but there are areas where a goalie who rather have shots taken from because the angles make it a little easier to fill up the net. not to say he hasn't made some nice clutch saves but overall his D have been doing there job well.

I have never liked kipper though so take from it what you will. he has ben getting better but he is a hot/cold goalie and used to be very inconsistant.

Steve

that makes me laugh.. using shots on net is a stupid statistic, unless you can break down where thoes shots were from by percentage.

I play goalie for a old timers league and trust me, I would love to have 50 shots from the outside of the circle over 15 from in front. the biggest job of the defence is to try push the guys to the outside where statisticly it is much easier to stop the shot, and to prevent a pass preventing one timmers or tip ins on the opposit side. like I tell my guys, if the other team wants to come in on the boards and shoot from the side. they can do that all day for all I care.

Steve

Anyone who has actually played the game will not be too interested in shot totals. I have never played goal but did play junior b which is not exactly the highest level of hockey but you still have to have good fundamentals to get there. One of those fundamentals you learn (back in bantam hockey probably) is to keep the shots to the outside and let the goalie see them. If we did this, our coach wouldn't care how many shots we allowed.

Shot totals are very misleading. Many good teams will allow 40 shots a game, take 20-25 and win most nights. I can remember way too many games where the canucks out shoot the other teams and loose.

You should be proud of your team but there is really no point in trying to make something out of nothing. No one is going to deny Kipper is a good goalie but trying to say he is as good as Luongo or Brodeur based on a few numbers is silly. Im not saying he is not as good, just saying your numbers don't mean anything.

The sport that really "gets" it is NFL football. You can have some very high QB numbers but if you never won the superbowl, you probably aren't getting into the hall of fame. I love hockey but just about any player who gets a 50 goal season in their career gets in :neutral: There is just way more to a players greatness than a GAA or SA% that cannot be put down in numbers.

Pffft Ryan Miller with 26 Wins, 5 SO and a SVPCT of 0.936 is where its at :lol:. Eh Pelle how are those clams doing for ya?

If you don't think shots on goal is a worthy stat, your out to lunch - anyhow, if you seen Kipper this year , you would come to understand, or maybe not, judging by some of the comments, that Kipper is the Flames MVP game in game out -

Don't even talk to me about what level of Hockey I played and with who, I can see now by your coments you really don't know hockey at all

Kipper had a good run on Oct, Nov, and the beggining of Dec.. but what has he done laitly?

Its not that is itsn't a good stat, it showes that the goalie had to be in the net that many times or the puck would have went in.

what I am saying is overall it is a weak stat, and there are breakdowns of it that are much better. look at it this way. if a team is on the penility kill for 40 min of the game and all they do is ice the puck 50 times right at the other teams net from there end, that counts as 50 shots on net.. did the goalie have to work that hard?

here is a good article on goaltending statistice and why they are no good.
it is old, but the theory and statistics are still good, even mention Cow Towns goaltending in 2003 I think.
http://www.hockeyanalytics.com/Resea...ot_Quality.pdf

here is a quote from his 2005 data
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Calgary:

It is widely held that Miikka Kiprusoff carried the Flames on his back. However, the Flames saw easier shots than the rest of the league, except when Dany Sabourin played goal (which was only 4 games). However, Kiprusoff exceeded predictions (.933 save percentage

Ryan Miller blows as bad as Luongo does :) Clams are doing great,thanks for asking.

Bump :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCe85jLBfXk

D'oh!