Yah, they asked me if I needed bulbs with these ballasts. Obviously I said no and If I told them I was gonna use 20k radiums for a fish tank they would say "you say wha? huh? what?, no houseplants?" :lol:

When I bought 250 ballasts off them they asked "what the hell are you using these for, people only use 400 or 1000 watters for houseplants"

:lol:

Ok, so we are comparing ballasts then. I got confused by your comment about only ever using Iwasaki's Jack. I thought that they were only bulbs.

So are the Venture son agro's cheaper/better than icecap?