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Lance 08-05-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 539482)
On a side note anyone know if anything is happening with that frag swap?


It's still on as far as I know. I'm definitely coming.

Greenmaster 08-06-2010 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 539620)
It's still on as far as I know. I'm definitely coming.

You or anyone else over there going to need a ride?

Lance 08-06-2010 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 539675)
You or anyone else over there going to need a ride?

Don't know yet. I don't know who's coming from here yet. If my wife decides on coming she'll most certainly want to do some shopping, so I'll have to bring the car.

Greenmaster 08-06-2010 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 539685)
Don't know yet. I don't know who's coming from here yet. If my wife decides on coming she'll most certainly want to do some shopping, so I'll have to bring the car.

... My wife is going... and she would love a reason to shop... but then carrying onto the ferry... it's up to you but I don't mind being a chauffeur.

Lance 08-06-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 539718)
... My wife is going... and she would love a reason to shop... but then carrying onto the ferry... it's up to you but I don't mind being a chauffeur.

Will let you know closer to swap time. Thanks for the offer. :biggrin:

Lance 08-07-2010 11:04 PM

If you're looking for a single doser with a slower drip rate I recommend the Accudoser II Reef Doser from Oceanic Corals. I've had it running for a couple of weeks now and I'm very happy with it. At 1.5 ml per minute it takes 2 hours to drip the 180 ml of alk my tank requires. And at only $80 it doesn't break the bank.
I tested it with water three times and got exactly the same volume per 2 hours running time. Filll a 1/2 gal container with BRS soda ash, program the doser through the controller and I'm good to go for 10 days before refilling. :biggrin:

Lance 09-01-2010 01:26 AM

Some fish pics and one weird snail

There is no hair algae in this tank except for this thatch growing on the back of a large Turbo snail. "Hey Buddy! You're supposed to eat it not wear it."
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2086.jpg

This guy is a beautiful fish but what a dink! He hogs most of the food, spits sand over everything, splashes water all over and loves to harrass smaller fishes. He may end up in Dave's huge FOWLR one of these days.
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2087.jpg

Sydney the Aussie Tuskfish
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2088.jpg

CBB
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2091.jpg

Poon the Tang
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2092.jpg

Chromis
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2096.jpg

Can you find the Fire Clowns?
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2099.jpg

Bannerfish
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_3830.jpg

Hawkfish
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_3341.jpg

Lamarck's Angel
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...tank/angel.jpg

Toro the LM Blenny
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/IMG_4076.jpg

Michael J. Foxface
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/IMG_3951.jpg

Bubba Gump
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/IMG_0973.jpg

Kole Tang
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...0/IMG_1924.jpg

hillegom 09-01-2010 01:33 AM

Nice pics, everything looks healthy Except for that snail! Nobody in the tank eats it off the turbo? Wierd

Lance 09-01-2010 01:40 AM

And some more:

Chocolate Tang and Toby the Goby peeking out of his barnacle
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...0/IMG_1922.jpg

More clowns. You can just see the tail of the wifey ahead of him. I just can't seem to get these two in the same pic.
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...a/IMG_0498.jpg

ClamFish
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...0/IMG_1978.jpg

PJ Cardinalfish (Crappy pic! Easiest fish to photograph and I come up with this lame shot)
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_2103.jpg


Only two fish I didn't get. Ruby Headed Wrasse and Coral Beauty Angel. They are both very camera shy and won't co-operate, but I'll get them next time.

Lance 09-01-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hillegom (Post 545416)
Nice pics, everything looks healthy Except for that snail! Nobody in the tank eats it off the turbo? Wierd


No. Weird eh? The LM Blenny scarfs back HA but won't touch it from the snail.

Doug 09-01-2010 01:58 AM

Great pics Lance. Some really nice looking fish there.

Greenmaster 09-01-2010 02:43 AM

Looks great... Almost makes me want to get a few large fish instead of a bunch of small ones.

Lance 09-01-2010 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 545423)
Great pics Lance. Some really nice looking fish there.

Thanks Doug

Lance 09-01-2010 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 545443)
Looks great... Almost makes me want to get a few large fish instead of a bunch of small ones.


Big fish are fun. But remember big fish = big poop = big skimmer!

Lance 09-15-2010 11:56 PM

So, my CBB has developed a liking for zoas........
I put 3 new frags I bought at the swap last Sunday in the tank and something has been picking at them. I caught him this morning right after the lights came on. The weird thing is that there are lots of zoas already in the tank he doesn't touch. I guess he figures if it's new it must be food. Now that he has a taste for them I hope he doesn't go for the old ones.


These he leaves alone but the new arrivals he gobbles up. I guess I'll have to move the new ones to the other tank..........little bastard!

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_2007.jpg

marie 09-16-2010 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 548890)
So, my CBB has developed a liking for zoas........
I put 3 new frags I bought at the swap last Sunday in the tank and something has been picking at them. I caught him this morning right after the lights came on. The weird thing is that there are lots of zoas already in the tank he doesn't touch. I guess he figures if it's new it must be food. Now that he has a taste for them I hope he doesn't go for the old ones.

If you will persist in putting corals in a fowlr what do you expect :razz:

Hopefully mine remains a model citizen. When I transfer everything into the new tank I'm going to put my angels into a tank of their own so I can have clams again....here's hoping my CBB doesn't develop a taste for clams

PoonTang 09-16-2010 01:34 PM

Someone is also eating the new magician zoos that I got at the swap too. I am down to 1 pollyp now. I suspect my powder blue and I have also caught him giving my new clams a little nip. :(

Lance 09-16-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by marie (Post 548997)
If you will persist in putting corals in a fowlr what do you expect :razz:


Haven't you heard Marie? I've upgraded to a FOWLRSAVEFF (Fish Only With Live Rock, Softies And Very Expensive Fish Food)

Lance 09-16-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PoonTang (Post 549028)
Someone is also eating the new magician zoos that I got at the swap too. I am down to 1 pollyp now. I suspect my powder blue and I have also caught him giving my new clams a little nip. :(

Uh Oh! :sad:

Lance 09-18-2010 11:38 PM

What the #%&* is going on?

I dose 250ml of BRS Calcium Chloride every morning via dosing pump (which takes 2.75 hours); and 230ml of Soda Ash via dosing pump in the evening (which takes about 2.5 hours). I manually dose 100ml of Mg every third day.
This regimen keeps Ca steady at 420 to 430; Alk at 8 to 9 and Mg at 1300 to 1325. I test every 2 weeks and these numbers never change.

UNTIL TODAY! :sad: Ca = 520 Alk = 5dKH Mg = 1320
I immediately thought the doser dripping the calcium had gone wonky and was over dosing which would also drive the alkalinity down. I checked the doser and it measured out exactly 250 ml. So I checked the alk doser as well and it is working perfectly. WTF!

I remember I opened a new container of BRS calcium chloride a while ago. Is it possible that BRS's mix is off? Or the wrong label was put on the pail? Anybody run into this before? I don't know whether I should throw the pail out or keep using it and adjust the dosing volumes. :noidea: Thoughts?

marie 09-19-2010 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 549608)
What the #%&* is going on?

I dose 250ml of BRS Calcium Chloride every morning via dosing pump (which takes 2.75 hours); and 230ml of Soda Ash via dosing pump in the evening (which takes about 2.5 hours). I manually dose 100ml of Mg every third day.
This regimen keeps Ca steady at 420 to 430; Alk at 8 to 9 and Mg at 1300 to 1325. I test every 2 weeks and these numbers never change.

UNTIL TODAY! :sad: Ca = 520 Alk = 5dKH Mg = 1320
I immediately thought the doser dripping the calcium had gone wonky and was over dosing which would also drive the alkalinity down. I checked the doser and it measured out exactly 250 ml. So I checked the alk doser as well and it is working perfectly. WTF!

I remember I opened a new container of BRS calcium chloride a while ago. Is it possible that BRS's mix is off? Or the wrong label was put on the pail? Anybody run into this before? I don't know whether I should throw the pail out or keep using it and adjust the dosing volumes. :noidea: Thoughts?

Check your pumps and heater for precip. I've had that happen to me over a period of a few weeks...couldn't keep the alk level up for the life of me and then my pumps seized up and I discovered where it went. It could be your cal/alk demand has dropped causing your alk levels to get high and then precipitate out

Lance 09-19-2010 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by marie (Post 549658)
Check your pumps and heater for precip. I've had that happen to me over a period of a few weeks...couldn't keep the alk level up for the life of me and then my pumps seized up and I discovered where it went. It could be your cal/alk demand has dropped causing your alk levels to get high and then precipitate out

Nope, pulled a pump apart: very little precip. I just don't understand what could have caused the Ca level to rise so fast. There has been no change in the tank, except for a few SPS and zoa frags I added four days ago. Corals are growing so the Ca requirements shouldn't have dropped. I'm really baffled by this one. I have stopped dosing Ca until the levels get back to normal and will see what happens.

lastlight 09-19-2010 04:59 PM

I would have suggested checking with another test kit but if all 3 went nuts since your last test then something must have really changed. You'd think you'd notice a bunch of unhappy corals if your consumption changed THAT much? At least it's easy enough to deal with but it'd be nice to know wth happened.

Greenmaster 09-19-2010 07:27 PM

Maybe the tank isn't consuming as much of the calcium as usual. I would try adjusting the levels. But I know nothing about dosing. That's just what makes sense to me.

*edit: I didn't see the other posts before posting mine as they were on the next page.

Lance 09-19-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 549718)
I would have suggested checking with another test kit but if all 3 went nuts since your last test then something must have really changed. You'd think you'd notice a bunch of unhappy corals if your consumption changed THAT much? At least it's easy enough to deal with but it'd be nice to know wth happened.

I did double check: Salifert and Elos kits. Mg levels are fine, it's the Ca and Alk that went wonky. Like you say, it's an easy fix, it's just baffling as to what would cause it.

Mrfish55 09-19-2010 07:43 PM

I know how to fix this, get a bigger tank and dilute with freshly mixed water till the level is correct! easy. P.S. dolphins don't care what the calcium level is.

lastlight 09-19-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrfish55 (Post 549746)
I know how to fix this, get a bigger tank and dilute with freshly mixed water till the level is correct! easy. P.S. dolphins don't care what the calcium level is.

This ain't West Ed Mall man lol.

Greenmaster 09-19-2010 08:35 PM

Maybe because the temp of the water is down, now that the summer is over, so the corals are not using as much calcium?

Lance 09-19-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 549758)
Maybe because the temp of the water is down, now that the summer is over, so the corals are not using as much calcium?


Nope. We have air conditioning. Tank temp stays pretty constant.

Greenmaster 09-19-2010 10:15 PM

Was just a guess... Does your tank get any light from outside?

PoonTang 09-20-2010 12:08 AM

Lance, any chance that you accidently mucked up the recipie? perhaps a double batch or something?

Lance 09-20-2010 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 549771)
Was just a guess... Does your tank get any light from outside?


Yes a little in the afternoon.

Lance 09-20-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PoonTang (Post 549805)
Lance, any chance that you accidently mucked up the recipie? perhaps a double batch or something?


I don't see how I could have. Simple recipe: 2 cups of calcium chloride to 1 gallon of water. Pretty hard to screw that up, and I never, seldom, sometimes, frequently make mistakes.

Greenmaster 09-20-2010 02:07 AM

I'm not sure but we have been having a lot less sun and the days are getting shorter... maybe that has caused your calcium consumption to go down.

Lance 09-20-2010 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 549842)
I'm not sure but we have been having a lot less sun and the days are getting shorter... maybe that has caused your calcium consumption to go down.


Anything is possible I guess, but the corals are growing well so assumedly consumption shouldn't be down.

untamed 09-20-2010 06:15 AM

I assume you've double checked the test kit....

I don't use that method of Ca/Alk supplementation, but it is obvious that there are only two variables in play...

1) the concentration of the mix (if the supplier changed something, how would you know?)
2) the amount you add over time.

So..you can measure the volume that the pump is adding over time, so you know is unchanged.

You have no way to measure the concentration of your mix. You need to find a system that will enable you to check on the concentration of your mix. It won't tell you if this particular batch is wrong, but it will save you next time something goes off. Maybe you can dilute a sample 10:1 with RO and use your test kit to measure Ca/Alk/Mg. Maybe you can get a SpG reading?

lastlight 09-20-2010 06:19 AM

Lance I'd just use the BRS calculator. Let your params fall to a little below ideal than calculate how much you need to raise back to ideal. If they do as advertised the mix is good. If the params jump again it's somehow more concentrated. I doubt that's the case though...seems to me if the BRS solutions were that much more concentrated they wouldn't fully disolve? Just thinking...don't actually KNOW anything.

MitchM 09-20-2010 09:17 AM

What about an indoor air quality problem? (excess CO2)
You mentioned that you have air conditioning.
Has your PH changed at all?

Mitch

Lance 09-20-2010 05:06 PM

EUREKA!!! I've solved the riddle!

BRS had changed the concentration of their calcium chloride. The older formula was 2 cups per 1 gal of water. The new formula is 2.5 cups per gal. I order it in 5 gal pails which I keep in the garage. From it, I fill a 1 gal pail which I use to mix the solution. Labour day weekend I spent up the lake and my tank sitter for some inexplicable reason switched this 1 gal pail with an older, formula one gal pail I was using for the frag tank in the basement. So, therefore when I made up new solution I was using 2.5 cups of the older, more concentrated calcium chloride instead of 2 cups and was unknowingly overdosing the last two weeks. :eek:

PoonTang 09-20-2010 05:12 PM

See i knew it was someone elses fault. ;)


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