Funny you ask
I am thinking about moving them into an overhang as they are not getting any better, and spot feeding is difficult where they are

MIchy
 

Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later

I am Sooo glad I place all new fish in QT
Of course, it doesn't help that I don't QT corals, shrimp, snails etc as I've rolled the dice, or rather, spun the cylinder, there

Anywhoo - poor Gramma :sad:
I saw it flash once before I bought it, but could not see anything, even with a pair of 300+ magnifier glasses on

2 days later and ...
( best pic I could get )

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that sucks man, sorry to hear! My cherub got ich even after a lenghtly qt in hypo. possiby from the stress or possibly cause it wasnt qt long enough or properly. despite that, I bought some herbtana microbe lift, treated the tank for 2 weeks and he was fine for 6 months until losing him in the move. might be worth a shot. its in your system now so your pretty well going to see it from time to time I'm sure. but herbtana worked great for me, plus its reef safe and not stressful to the fish. I think its derived from natural oils from plants (i think.)

good luck man!

Yup, definately sucks but all is not lost as they're in the QT, so all is good

The DT is not contaminated ( at least from this fish ) :smile:

After this is dealt with I'll leave the QT fallow

I'm treating with Paraguard right now and am considering doing a Hypo

I was feeling guilty about the firefish being in there, but then I recalled it came from the same system @ the store, so it already has it :wink:

A little FYI

I have been keeping some LR in the Observation/QT for hiding places and filtration
I wasn't worried if it had to be medicated as it's a small piece of rock
If I was to ever use copper I would remove it first

I've been using Seachem Paraguard daily and so far I've seen;

Dead brittle star
Dead asterina stars
Amphipods are OK
Isopods are OK
Palys and aiptasia close up right after dosing
Aiptasia opens up after about 18 hours
Palys don't open at all

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Hi Greg, nice meeting at Rich's couple weekends ago celebrating his and families' birthdays. Love the rockscape!

Thanks for liking my 'scape Wayne
I may remove the top of the middle island down the road to make room for corals
I really like Rich's low rocks with all the big corals ballooning around :smile:

It was great meeting and talking with you too
I hope you guys had a good time at the swap in Vic

Hope the investment is treating you well :smile:

DT is going very well - nothing to report there

QT is definately infected with MI
It has come and gone every 2 or 3 days ever since Sept 1st
The Royal Gramma has always been hit by it, but now, for the first time, the Purple Firefish has a spot

I've been, since Thursday, looking for an SL1 so I can more easily monitor the pH while running hypo
I have a plan now and will be picking up a probe Monday

I'll be going for a total of 10 weeks before these critters go into the DT
2-3 days of dropping the Sg, 2-3 days while the spots go away, 4 weeks of hypo, 7 days to raise the Sg, and 4 more weeks of monitoring to see if it comes back

Yeehaw :lol:

At least they are in the QT
And I'll be able to put the LR back in the QT after all this as it'll sit fallow in a bucket in the meantime

Greg, nice to see your persistance in the QT of fishes, you are one of few that do this that actually follow through till the end!

How is the growth of corals coming along?

I can imagine how peed I'd be if I'd just tossed them in the DT :smile:

There is growth happening here and there, but nothing camera worthy yet
I'll definately get some pics up once they're worth seeing

Haven't started the QT hypo yet, but I got the SL1 and a new pH probe running
I was @ J&L today and put a hold on a Kole tang that just arrived yesterday, so I won't start hypo now until Sunday or Monday as I'll pick up the Yellow eye on Saturday
Couldn't have been better timing :smile:

The chaeto tank is finally back up and running, although I have nothing to put in it right now :rolleyes:
I picked up a pair of 5pc diamond cutting wheel sets for a dremel from Princess Auto
I thought I'd go through a bunch of el cheapo units but, surprise, one disc got the whole job done :smile:
It's not the prettiest as I did it freehand, but I'm super happy that I didn't have to remove the baffle :mrgreen:
No more leaking over-the-glass/under the trim
That 'mark' below the right angled cut is just a scratch from slipping with the wheel

I was even able to arris all the edges with the wheel :smile:

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Nice job Greg :) should keep the creep down now too

Thanks mang - mission definately accomplished :wink:
Now it's time for a couple wobblies and some surfing right after I throw something at the feedmees :smile:

Dont ever have anything to say but great job! Things are coming along nice in your slice of the ocean. Nice to be able to sit back and enjoy! I know I've slowed down a lot just to let things stabilize. How's smudge doing?

Me too. I haven't put my hands in the tank for a few days now. That's got a be a record for me :P today I sat in my chair and I only see the one spot open for my purple monti when I get it, other then that I was like "yep.. good job Ken, good job."

Thanks for stayin' interested guys and gals :biggrin:

Well thanks for jumpin' in :smile:
Mine's slowed down too now, thankfully. I have some dudes in the QT and it will be nearing the end of Nov before they go in the DT. Talk about being patient - yikes :surprise:

Smudge is doing very well thanks. He's the king of the tank right now, but the biggest scaredy-cat err fox, and the biggest PIGGY I've ever seen. He eats like a freshwater Pike cichlid. Dart, gobble, oh look more over there, dart, gobble, oh you can't have that it's mine, dart, dart, dart :lol:

I haven't seen an update on yours - did it make it through after the powerhead traction ?

Nothin' like havin' to do nothin' with your tank but sit back and enjoy :biggrin:
Once I get these guys outta the QT I'll be able to set a lot of this on ignore :mrgreen:

Although ... there are still a lot of corals and such I want :rolleyes:

Your entire build has been methodical and full of patience, I'm sure the qt time will go by quickly. looks to me in my very limited experience you are doing everything the right way. A great build thread to watch and follow, always watching your updates.

No updates on my tank worth posting. Dealing with another outbreak of cyano, seems to be clearing up. Interest comes and goes. I get panicky about things and having shut down thoughts so I figure leaving it alone ( just maintenance) not adding anything and letting it settle is best for now.

So happy smudge is doing well! Mine didn't make it. After getting stuck to the power head a second time, I put him in a small breeder container I had, floated it in the sump but didn't put the lid on it. He got out and when I got home yesterday he was stuck to the intake of my gfo reactor pump and dead. I will try another one but might put it in my smaller tank to start, they seem like a very gentle fish and might be a good idea to have it with less aggressive eaters for a bit.

Keep the updates coming:lol:

I'll PM you about this and that

Here's a couple new pics of Smudge - maybe I should rename him Pudge :razz:

He just went through a 2" square of purple nori in less than 5 mins



Ack, Photobucket is acting up
I'll get the pics up soon



I just got home from J&L a little while ago and am acclimating a Kole to go into QT with the gramma and firefish

Be a nice surprise for Donna when she gets home tonight :biggrin:

Lucky guy. I wish I could have a tang :( maybe once I build the next tank :P how's all the corals doing?

Corals are looking very happy
I moved the yumas into some shade and they are coming back to life, but I can't show you right now 'cause P-bucket isn't uploading

I'll be getting some growth pics up soon too when I get some more patience :wink:

Once you buy a new place I know who'll be getting some bigger fish :biggrin:

I think you have over worked photo bucket....:twised: I have no problems with it.:mrgreen:

:rofl:

I couldn't be happier right now :mrgreen: well, maybe, but as far as fish go ...

I put the new kole into the QT about 5 mins ago and it's already picking at the LR :multi:

Still no P-bucket action ...............

Woa no Q for the Kole? Im debating doing the same with mine as my 10g Q tank is housing a goby with the buddy pistol along with a grenn chromis and a ton of rock and sand. My plan is to move all that in the 75g, clean out the 10g and have it setup as a Q tank.

You're brave and will be watching this for updates!

WHOOPS
I meant QT :lol:

No not brave, or silly, just too excited to type correctly :razz:

Chris, thanks for pointing that out :lol:

Definately put your dude into your QT, even if it means you have to clear it out tonight, or postpone the purchase a day or so, or whatever

You know how prone tangs are to MI, nevermind everything else that could happen

I wanna make sure this little guy is eating well and hopefully bug-free
The plan is for a day or so of feeding, then I'm going to start dropping the Sg and go through the whole hypo bit

Yup I am going to clean out the 10g tonight and drop the salinity to 1.16 or so.

How did you setup your qt? Are you running any chemicals or just lower the salinity?

My QT is currently 1.025 @ 79f with 5-10lbs of LR
I have an Aquaclear 50, and an 8watt UV run by a Quiet One 1200 on it's lowest setting

I'm not running any chems right now and probably won't
I did a week of Paraguard and it killed all my brittle stars, some asternias, and the few polyps haven't opened since

I add Paraguard when I'm acclimating and treat it as a dip, right before I net the dudes to the QT

Once I start to drop the Sg I'll put the LR in a bucket for the fallow period

Keep your Sg up until after you acclimate, then drop it over 48-72 hours if you plan on going hypo
Otherwise, keep it between 1.024 and 1.026

I like the hypo salinity method to be honest as it kills most parasites and it's not harmful to the fish.
I was under the impression that drip acclimation when introducing new fish into the qt tank is not necessary. They just match temps and drop the fish in lower salinity water which shock the parasites off.

Nope, couple bad ideas there ...

Hypo has only been proven to kill MI, and only at levels as low as 1.009, although it does help newly aquired fish recover from problems ...
The lower salinity allows them to 'sluff off' salt more easily ( osmoregulation ) as there is less salt content to take in to start with
This allows them to focus on digestion and healing etc etc instead of spending time trying to rid themselves of the amount of salt they take in
'Dropping' new fish into a tank without a drip is one of the best ways I can think of to kill them :razz: - or at least stress them out enough that they will eventually die :wink:

There are plenty of acclimation procedures online, and even J&L has a page about it

You MUST properly acclimate your new critters, any kind of new critters, if you expect them to be as healthy as possible



As far as 'shocking' parasites off of new aquisitions goes, read about freshwater dips and follow the instructions closely
You could also read about medicated dips, such as using prazipro or paraguard, but again, read first, and don't do anything you don't fully understand :smile:

I keep reading and reading, guess everyone has their methods and I was thinking the same about dropping the fish directly in lower salinity water...

Here is the post:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...ne-tank-35693/

I've only browsed that article but I don't like what I read ...

Here's a great link for you

Randy Holmes-Farley articles

And one I like about Hypo

OK, some new pics ...

Here's a couple new pics of Smudge - maybe I should rename him Pudge :razz:

He just went through a 2" square of purple nori in less than 5 mins

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Our newest addition doesn't have a name yet
The spots are worms on the glass

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FYI ...

Adding an airstone to your QT makes a huge difference concerning pH

My aquaclear 50 just didn't cut it for gas exchange as my pH dipped below 7.8
I added an airstone and the pH came back up over 7.9 within the afternoon

I hope to see it back within normal ranges tomorrow

Nice addition, love the yellow eye kole's. You'll like him, tons of personality.Ph was always my problem with hypo, just could never seem to keep it up no matter what I did, thus my affinity for the tank transfer method for MI :)

Looks good. Mine is a little darker and very active although hes not interested in any food I offer which annoys me... instead he kicks up all the sand creating a sandstorm like I've never seen...

I remember being warned with my pistols creating storms, however this guy beats them all which is quite annoying to say the least as I keep looking at the 34gallon cube which is crystal clear and vs the 75 which is a white cloud in the afternoon.

Chris, our new Tang is in a barebottom QT, so I have no idea what will happen when it finds sand :wink:

New FTShots

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Looks good.
How much lr do you have in the display? It looks awesome.
I'd love for my water to look as clean as yours, but I'll have to improvise and teach the tang some new tricks which don't include sand kicking.

I'll guess about 50lbs live and another 20lbs base

There's another 20lbs or so in the sump that I'm going to sell
I'll post it once it's weighed and in a tub ( thanks to Brett, Brad and Albert for the indirect encouragement to remove it :smile: )