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Aquattro 03-01-2012 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ReefOcean (Post 688427)
Reasonably so. I have stated as well that I don't disagree with water changes. My point is under the right cicumstances, you don't need to that often.
I guess my reasoning is that we cannot measure or account for the right circumstances, so to err on the side of caution, I change water. It's like fresh air to the critters, removes excess nutrients that I can't measure outside a lab, and replaces the things used I didn't even know were there.

Aquattro 03-02-2012 12:00 AM
I have to take a break, my head hurts :) Back later.

ReefOcean 03-02-2012 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 688430)
Now you're just spouting off. Rock is known to accumulate nutrients over time, contributing to old tank syndrome, just like deep sand beds. I read it on the Internet.
Now it seems to me most, if not all of your questions have been answered, but you don't acknowledge them. We've been debating, and providing rebuttals to your comments (and poking doodles) all day long.
No, I am not spouting off. I am formulating "techniques" that become "requirements" the same way other reefers do. I am aware of the live rock situation, I am just creating "guidelines" to how to deal with it.


Yes, my question regarding if anybody else does it is answered. Which of course in NO. Why? Because that is what the've been taught by "beginners 101"....

ReefOcean 03-02-2012 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sphelps (Post 688426)
Because you're only replenishing, what if a certain element isn't being used and you keep adding it, it will become a containment. Water changes not only replenish they also reduce the concentration is anything elevated above norm.
If you do a water change, are you not adding that element as well?


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Like others have said it's up to the owner to decide what's best for them. Do some research away from unrepeatable sources claiming this and that and make a decision based on what your believe will produce the most success while keeping the efforts in your comfort zone.
Here is the thing. I did it myself. I didn't read about it and follow others. There was a decision making process. I weighed the negatives. I tested the parameters and monitored it. I kept the bioload low, and dosed accordingly.

ReefOcean 03-02-2012 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 688432)
I guess my reasoning is that we cannot measure or account for the right circumstances, so to err on the side of caution, I change water. It's like fresh air to the critters, removes excess nutrients that I can't measure outside a lab, and replaces the things used I didn't even know were there.
That logic isn't sound. If you can't account for the premise IE water quality, and conclusion IE doing water changes or suspending water changes is moot.

If that is what you mean..

But you can reasonably account for the conditions and circumstances through water testing and monitoring the health of your livestock. You can control the system by limiting bioload and having the proper biological and mechanical filtration in place.

Aquattro 03-02-2012 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ReefOcean (Post 688451)
But you can reasonably account for the conditions and circumstances through water testing and monitoring the health of your livestock. You can control the system by limiting bioload and having the proper biological and mechanical filtration in place.
At the very core of this statement, we disagree. We aren't going to convince each other. Let's revisit in 5 years. :)

sphelps 03-02-2012 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ReefOcean (Post 688449)
If you do a water change, are you not adding that element as well?

Here is the thing. I did it myself. I didn't read about it and follow others. There was a decision making process. I weighed the negatives. I tested the parameters and monitored it. I kept the bioload low, and dosed accordingly.
Really?? not sure I can explain any better, read the link dude, you'll learn something. Until then you're just wasting everyone's time.

ReefOcean 03-02-2012 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 688453)
At the very core of this statement, we disagree. We aren't going to convince each other. Let's revisit in 5 years. :)
If you are implying I wont do a water change in 5 years, hell yes I will :lol:

In fact, I was planning to do one this weekened because of salanity loss due to salt creep but I would like to keep the spirit of this alive and will only change 5 gallons.

Aquattro 03-02-2012 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ReefOcean (Post 688458)
If you are implying I wont do a water change in 5 years, hell yes I will :lol:

In fact, I was planning to do one this weekened because of salanity loss due to salt creep but I would like to keep the spirit of this alive and will only change 5 gallons.
No, I'm implying I'm tired and can't do this anymore, and maybe 5 years from now I'll have more energy :)

ReefOcean 03-02-2012 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sphelps (Post 688456)
Really?? not sure I can explain any better, read the link dude, you'll learn something. Until then you're just wasting everyone's time.
I skimmed it. Don't use epsen salts? The "removal" section was a little short


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